# LANGUAGE translation of https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/rms-aj.html # Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc. # This file is distributed under the same license as the original article. # FIRST AUTHOR , YEAR. # #, fuzzy msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: rms-aj.html\n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2022-06-18 18:55+0000\n" "PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n" "Last-Translator: FULL NAME \n" "Language-Team: LANGUAGE \n" "Language: \n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" #. type: Content of: msgid "" "Richard Stallman Interviewed The Day After SOPA/PIPA Global Protests - GNU " "Project - Free Software Foundation" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><h2> msgid "Richard Stallman Interviewed The Day After SOPA/PIPA Global Protests" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><div><p> msgid "" "Transcript of an interview conducted on January 19, 2012, the day " "after the global web blackout protests took place against the controversial " "SOPA and PIPA copyright bills. The GNU Project and the Free Software " "Foundation <a " "href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/20120118201902/http://www.gnu.org/\"> " "joined the protest</a>." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><div><p> msgid "" "At the time of the interview, the controversial positions of the interviewer " "were not widely spread and not known to Richard Stallman. Since then, " "Jones's views have become more extreme and well-known, and Stallman strongly " "disagrees with them." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dt> msgid "Alex Jones" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Okay, my friends, we've got a real treat for you—they talk about the " "top ten people out there in Internet land who've really changed our " "perspective on so many things, it's Dr. Richard Stallman. He's a " "software developer and software freedom activist, he graduated from Harvard " "in '74 with a BA in physics and received many awards, doctorates and " "professorships for extensive work." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "In January of '84 he resigned from MIT to start the GNU or [pronounced] " "“guh-new” operating system, meant to be entirely free software, " "and has been the project leader ever since. Dr. Stallman also launched " "the free software movement." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "In October of '85 he started the Free Software Foundation (and thank god, " "because nothing would work if we were running off of Microsoft still, and I " "don't know anything about Internet, but I know that), and in 1999 Stallman " "called for development of a free online encyclopedia with a means of " "inviting the public to contribute articles so he was the progenitor of " "Wikipedia." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "During his college years he also worked as a staff hacker at the MIT " "artificial intelligence lab learning operating system development by doing " "it." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Stallman pioneered the concept of “copyleft” and is the main " "author of the GNU General Public License, the most widely-used free software " "license. This is why since the mid-90s Stallman has spent most of his time " "in political advocacy for free software and spreading the ethical ideas as " "well as campaigning against both software patents and dangerous extensions " "of copyright laws. That's why he's probably the best guest we can get on to " "discuss Russia, China, the US: they're all using copyright, and later " "admitting they're using it to shut down free speech." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "SOPA's just one manifestation of this. And this monster's receding for now " "but it's guaranteed to come back very soon, in fact in a few weeks. Here's " "the Associated Press; “Supreme Court Rules Congress Can Re-Copyright " "Public Domain Works” that have been out for hundreds of years, this is " "amazing, so here to break down the different horrors of the expansion of " "copyright—to where you can't even use [some] words now, they're " "saying—is Professor and Dr. Stallman. Thank you for coming on " "with us, sir." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dt> msgid "Richard Stallman" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Hello." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dt> msgid "AJ" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Hello. Well, let's go over it I mean what do you make of what's happening " "right now?" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dt> msgid "RS" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well, I haven't read any details about today's Supreme Court Decision, I " "haven't seen that yet. But previously other Supreme Court decisions said it " "was unconstitutional to recopyright anything that was in the public domain. " "But this is a very pro-business Supreme Court, we can't trust it to protect " "human rights. They're going to give those human rights to corporations, and " "protect the rights of corporations, but not the rights of humans in any " "practical sense." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Yes, sir. What got you started developing the ideas that have become the " "free software movement that you kicked off?" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "I lived in a free software community in the 1970's, although we didn't use " "that term, when I was working at the artificial intelligence lab at MIT. It " "was part of a community where we shared the software that we developed, and " "all the software that we used was the software of the community, and we were " "happy to share it with anyone that was interested in it, and we hoped that " "if they improved it they would share it back, and often they did." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "But this community died in the early 80's, leaving me face to face with the " "proprietary software world, which is the way everyone else was using " "software. And by comparison to the life of freedom I was used to, " "proprietary software was ugly—morally ugly." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "So I balked at that, I said I am not going to accept the life of proprietary " "software, I would be ashamed of my life if I did that, so I decided to build " "a new free software community. Since the old one was based on software for " "obsolete computers, it was necessary to start again from scratch. So I " "launched that project, and now there are free operating systems, now it's " "just barely possible to use computers and not be subjugated by software " "developers of nonfree software." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "But expanding that, with just basic text copyright, take Righthaven, they've " "been absolutely destroyed in court, they sued a lot of people across the " "spectrum for even taking a paragraph in a comment board where it was clearly " "a third party that had even done it, and they were backed by the Associated " "Press and others, I mean that is really creep to have the Associated Press " "and others actually suing, you know, quadriplegics and community activist " "groups helping homeless people because they had one paragraph of their " "article and clearly were discussing in many cases their own—they were " "in the news article, they were posting it on their blog about them for " "humanitarian discussion, couldn't get any more clear [that it's] free " "speech, and they were being sued." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well, if they went to court they might win, the defendants might win on the " "grounds of fair use, the problem is it's hard to tell in advance and it " "costs you a lot of money to go to court and find out, so those people " "probably didn't have enough money to stand up for what are possibly their " "rights, plausibly their rights. But because of the way fair use is defined " "in copyright law it's not a clear permission. It's a rather vaguely-drawn " "defense against charges of copyright infringement." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Yeah, case by case. Shifting gears, overall, specifically on SOPA is it " "heartening for you to see the big blackouts, to see…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "It is. And what this means is, that we can sometimes defeat the copyright " "lobby when it demands increased power. Of course, we haven't defeated them " "yet. We are at least coming close to defeating them, and maybe we'll defeat " "them, but everybody listening to this, you've got to phone your senators " "today, because they're going to vote next week. So at least even if we " "don't actually defeat them we'll have mounted a campaign that will have come " "fairly close." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "This is the first time it's been such a fight. When the Digital Millennium " "Copyright Act was passed, the law that censors software that you can use to " "decode encrypted publications, that you can use to break digital handcuffs; " "that was passed in the House of Representatives without an explicit vote, it " "was considered totally uncontroversial, there were just a few of us saying " "that this is an injustice." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "And that's why Digital Restrictions Management or DRM is such a pain " "nowadays, because of that law that the copyright lobby purchased in 1998, " "which bans the software capable of breaking the digital handcuffs. So I am " "against anything that the copyright lobby wants until they start undoing " "some of the injustices they've already imposed on us." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Doctor, let me try to quantify that from my layman's perspective and correct " "me if I'm wrong, but this is what I see as the injustice: they're talking " "about their rights as they attempt to put a preemptive, non-deliberative, no " "due process, guilty until proven guilty system…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Guilty until proven innocent, I think you meant." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well, I was being sarcastic, I mean you're guilty basically, period. Yeah, " "guilty until proven guilty, I was being sarcastic…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Oh, OK." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "But I mean you're guilty up front. And they're basically just gobbling up " "the Internet, gobbling up what people have created, gobbling up everything " "like they're masters of the Universe, and until they become reasonable, " "there's no point in discussing anything with them, because they're not " "giving anyone quarter." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "I agree. But furthermore, the more subtle thing that they're doing is that " "they're trying to focus attention on their problems as if their problems " "needed to be catered to while distracting away from the problems they have " "already imposed on us." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "I hope we completely defeat SOPA. But don't forget that copyright law in " "the US already gives them too much power. Of course they're not satisfied, " "they always want more, that's what the 1% do to the 99%, but even if we stop " "them from getting more, that's not enough." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "We've got to aim for more than just preventing them from making it worse. " "We've got to undo some of the injustices they have already done to us. We " "have to put an end to the war on sharing, which is a cruel war that attacks " "all of us." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Now, when I say sharing, I mean something specific. I mean non-commercial " "copying and redistribution of published works. Exact copies, that means, " "not modifications. That's a rather limited freedom, but that's a freedom " "all must have so that the war on sharing ends and copyright ceases to be " "tyranny." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Now, that means they've got to stop using digital handcuffs. Lots of " "products nowadays are designed with digital handcuffs. Every DVD player you " "can buy has digital handcuffs…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Let me give people an example. I have a TV studio, I have a TV show, I make " "films. I buy prosumer and professional equipment, and half of our technical " "difficulties with digital TVs, monitors, cameras is having the right " "software keys, everything talking to each other plugged in, it has to " "authenticate that I'm allowed to run a video through it, it's all spying on " "me and screwing up my entire operation, my whole life is about complying " "with this stuff, and I bought it and I'm in here using it to produce TV, and " "as the 80 inventors of the Internet pointed out, this SOPA would cripple the " "Internet by putting all these pre-restrictions on things." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Well, yes. The worst thing in SOPA is that it becomes easy to shut down any " "website where the public is posting things. It just takes an accusation " "that somebody posted something that was infringing copyright and it becomes " "almost impossible for that site to keep operating. That's why Wikipedia " "decided to go black yesterday, because it would be impossible to operate " "something even vaguely like Wikipedia under the rules of SOPA." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Now, after the show's over I'd like you to tell me more about the precise " "details of your problems with these TV systems or have your technical person " "tell me because that's an area I don't know about, and I want to know about " "the details of that." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Sure, if you'd like that, Doctor, I actually have two engineers here, and " "they can explain it to you, but you know we have TV sets behind me on the " "nightly news and they're digital, and just to run feeds to them to talk to a " "guest on Skype or to have a blue background behind me, all the TVs you buy " "that are prosumer or even professional now, it has a gate in it that scans " "to see if I'm even streaming something over it that's copyright, and then " "it's endless—to use software, you've got to have the dongle in the " "machine, and then that screws up…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Well that's 'cause you're using proprietary software. See with software " "there are just two possibilities—either the users control the program " "or the program controls the users. What you're seeing is that with " "proprietary software, the software controls the users." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Now, what's proprietary software? That's any software for which the users " "don't have the freedom to run it as they wish, study and change the source " "code, and redistribute it either with or without changes. So…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Sure, just to be clear, doctor…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "…control. But with Windows or MacOS or Skype the software controls " "the users. That's why I will not use any of that." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well, it is the machine surveying us, preemptively turning us into slaves. " "A lot of our operation is run on Linux systems, I'm not a tech guy…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Uh-uh, they're not Linux systems, they're GNU systems, and you're talking " "about my work there." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "You're right, you are the progenitor of that with GNU that other things grew " "out of. So GNU systems, we do have a lot of those, one of our IT people " "just absolutely loves your work and has tried to build a lot of things " "around here like that." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "But separately, when I've got a pretty big operation—it's not that " "big, like 34 people—sometimes we've gotta hurry, we've gotta buy " "software to run TV shows, we've got to get equipment, I'm talking about " "solid state stuff that won't work as well. All I'm saying is that it screws " "everything up." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Hardware can be malicious too. And the encryption of video between a " "computer and a monitor is an example of a malicious hardware feature that " "has been put into essentially all modern PCs by a conspiracy of " "corporations…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Yeah!" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "…including hardware companies and media companies, so you can see it! " "They buy laws like the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to forbid people to " "escape from these things, and then they can design our technology to abuse " "us however they wish." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "So what you can see is that proprietary software—even when there's " "hardware that's malicious, the software has to make use of the malicious " "features, so the proprietary software's involved also. And when software's " "proprietary, it is likely to have malicious features in it to spy, to " "restrict, and there's even back doors that accept remote commands to do " "things." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "That's what I was about to get to, sir. We're talking to Richard Stallman, " "free software inventor, creator, guru, Obi-Wan Kenobi type, so much of what " "we live with today that is the only alternative to what the big corporate " "borg are oppressing us with, did come out of his ideas." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "But expanding on this, doc, that's what I'm saying. I've tried to get the " "freer systems and I'm saying in many cases it does not exist. I don't have " "the money to hire an army of people that are trained in free software to be " "able to even attempt it, and what you said is true. There's all these " "trojan horses built into everything, and I'm even paying for it, and it's " "junk no matter how expensive because the whole thing is tied down with these " "handcuffs, and it just absolutely stifles innovation as you said thirty " "years ago." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Mmn-hmmn. Although it does worse than stifle innovation. You see, " "innovation is the sacred cow of people who claim that they need to be " "allowed to restrict us. They say if they can restrict us they'll do more " "innovation. But innovation can be good or bad. Democracy was once an " "innovation. Tyranny was once an innovation. So innovation can serve us." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Bioweapons were once an innovation." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Innovation will only serve us if we have control over what innovations we'll " "accept and what innovations we'll reject. So I do not accept innovation as " "sufficiently important to justify taking away our freedom. Yes, I'd like " "innovation all else being equal assuming we have freedom. But when somebody " "argues, “give up your freedom so we can have more innovation,” " "that is literally a trojan horse." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well that's well said, but my point is, they are—I mean, everybody " "knows Microsoft stuff works horribly because it's all got back doors, spy " "systems, and it's just total crap. Because, excuse my French there, because " "they're obsessed and control freaks; Bill Gates!" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Yup. But it's not just Microsoft. I've got to point out that Apple is even " "worse…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Oh yeah." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "And Amazon is horrible. The Amazon “Swindle” and eBook reader " "has known spy features, of course it has digital handcuffs, and it has a " "back door for deleting books. Did you know that Amazon remotely deleted " "thousands of books in 2009?" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Yeah, 1984!" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Right. Someone wrote they used up a year's supply of irony demonstrating " "the Orwellian nature of their product, which they call the Kindle because " "it's designed to burn our books [<a href=\"#f1\">1</a>]. But they " "demonstrated it by deleting Orwell's book." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Oh, that's another point. They've got this Kazaa thing " "[Note—Youtube's content fingerprinting system was actually licensed " "from AudibleMagic in 2007] where I've had rights to music, I've uploaded it, " "but because it's in some registrar, suddenly it shuts down the audio on my " "videos that millions of people are watching, and even though I have letters " "sending them to Youtube that I have license here, it doesn't matter because " "the computer recognizes and did that, and they now admit they could erase my " "voice off of these major systems in a matter of hours with the same " "technology—I mean, you talk about dangerous having all the books " "digital, they could just hit a button…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "That's why I won't use such systems, I will never use anything like the " "Amazon Kindle for my books, because I want to have books that I can read " "without any proprietary technology, I want to buy them without identifying " "myself, and I'm not willing to sign a contract to get them. If I buy a " "paper book, I can do it with cash in a book store, I don't sign a contract, " "and my eyes without any aid at all, or at most perhaps some lenses, can see " "the letters. I'm not required to get some secret technology just to see " "what the letters in the book are." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Wow." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "So I will never use those eBooks under any circumstances, and I hope that " "the rest of you will join me. If you want to read more about this, look at " "<a href=\"http://stallman.org/articles/ebooks.pdf\"> " "http://stallman.org/articles/ebooks.pdf</a>, and at the bottom of that " "there's a link to a place you can sign up to participate in our campaign " "against tyrannical eBooks systems." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "I had read some of your writings on this, but the way you put it, we can " "really see it being put into function. I mean, this is a tyranny, they've " "designed the current web system as a tyranny, consciously, as you said, the " "big corporations, and the sick part is when we pay the licenses and buy the " "equipment, we're paying for their own trojan horse for them to engage in " "beyond Orwellian behavior." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well, I wouldn't say beyond Orwellian, after all Oceania did things even " "worse than destroying books, they just murdered people, but the point is we " "have to reject these systems, and that's the basic idea of the free software " "movement—I won't accept the systems that are designed to take away my " "freedom." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "OK, Doctor, I'm going to try to get you in touch right now with one of the " "engineers to give you any of that information you want, and I'll say bye to " "you during the break, perhaps you could even come back for a couple more " "minutes on the other side and tell us more about solutions, but, just " "intriguing to hear you on with us and all the points that you bring up, it " "absolutely makes sterling sense." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><p> msgid "[Break.]" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Well, Richard Stallman, Dr. Richard Stallman, free software creator of " "the GNU system that everything is pretty much based on today, Linux, you " "name it, is our guest for five more minutes. He's going to be gone for a " "while, but hopefully coming up in a few months, we'll be able to get him on " "for a full hour because everything he talks about just totally clicks; " "because I'm not an IT person, but I live 12–14 hours per day around " "it, we're an Internet operation pretty much, we're on commercial radio as " "well and XM, but I live it and I've experienced what he's talking about and " "all the points he makes ties right in to what I'm just organically seeing as " "a lay person here, but I was bringing up some intriguing stuff to him during " "the break." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "We have the articles we had the Time-Warner executives send us the internal " "documents after we surmised it, an example of these trojan horses. The TiVo " "systems, the Time-Warner cable systems and others." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "When they censored the Jesse Ventura TV show, it aired once, congress went " "crazy on the FEMA camps, ordered them not to air it again, that later came " "out in congress, it was a big scandal, suddenly off of DVRs nationwide, " "cable systems you name it, it disappeared. We confirmed it through one " "Time-Warner office that they were ordered to put the command in. They'd " "never seen that before." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "But the point is, you pay for cable, you have a DVR, you record on it and " "then they go in and erase. And I know you want to see the proof of that, " "we'll get it to you, Doctor, but if true, what do you make of that?" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "It's just another example of how nonfree software is a restriction on the " "users, and it's an injustice. So if you look around at any nonfree software " "you've heard of, you know, various products that have nonfree software in " "them, every one of them should not be that way." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Yeah, it's very very sad that this is all going on, we're paying for our own " "prison. In just 3 or 4 minutes, because I know you've got to go, Doctor, " "what are some other solutions or things we can start doing to weaken the " "power of the corporate borg?" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Well, all across the various areas of life we can see corporations taking " "control of our government and using that power to hurt most people. Of " "course, there's the financial crisis, and all the Americans are facing " "foreclosures. A lot of these foreclosures are fraudulent, the banks are " "committing fraud when they foreclose, and right now we're pushing Obama not " "to let them off the hook, which is what he wants them to do. There are a " "few states where the Attorneys-General are trying to pursue the banksters " "for their fraudulent foreclosures, and there are protests run by Move On, " "today, I'm going to go to one of them this afternoon, but that's just one " "example." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Of course, the banks created the downturn by purchasing deregulation in " "Congress. And then if we look at, for instance, agribusiness which has " "basically crushed family farming in the US and now gets tremendous subsidies " "to these corporations, subsidies which were originally meant to help family " "farmers, and that made sense. But nowadays, it's just subsidies to big " "business. And then you look at the private prison industry, which is a " "great reason […]" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "They use the prisoners, they have the prisoners work, but it's the company " "that gets the money. The prisoner gets paid like 50 cents a day, which is " "even better for them than hiring somebody in Mexico or China. And so, " "that's a reason to imprison more Americans because they're effectively slave " "labor." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "And then we will get the oil companies, and they push for burning up our " "planet. You may have followed the fight to block the Keystone XL planet " "roaster pipeline, and that's not dead either." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "So what is it these things have in common? What they have is, corporations " "have power so we need to clean up politics. We need to get corporate money " "out of politics." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "And I got a book yesterday, let me read the exact title, it's " "“Corporations Are Not People” by Jeffrey Clements, and this " "proposes a constitutional amendment to say “no, when the constitution " "gives rights to people or persons it's not talking about " "corporations.”" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Well, the power to give corporations rights so they can then stomp on our " "rights, it's very very frightening, and for those who don't know, you " "couldn't even have corporations in this country the way they are until about " "the last 130 years or so, before that they had limited duration to build a " "bridge or to do some type of program. And I understand a little company " "having a corporation so you can have different people involved together, but " "the idea of giving it more rights than the humans, and then having these " "crooks that run it." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "I mean, take Mitt Romney: he's got most his money in the Cayman Islands, and " "he's running around lecturing everybody, and he's paying almost no taxes." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Well, he said that corporations are people and someone pointed out that if " "that's true, then he's a serial killer." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Ha-ha, yeah I saw that!" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "I don't want to abolish corporations either, but we must abolish the " "political power of business. In this country, it's taken for granted that " "powerful business has a veto over everything. And that means it's taken for " "granted that we've lost our democracy. No one should think about that " "without feeling disgusted and saying this must be changed." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "Get that book, because he explains how it's not an accident that the Supreme " "Court gave corporations unlimited power to pay for political ads. It's the " "culmination of a 40-year or 35-year perhaps campaign for giving human rights " "to corporations." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "It is very very dangerous, and now those corporations are destroying our " "sovereignty, our local control. Dr. Stallman, thank you so much for " "spending time with us and again give us your website and any other websites " "you think are important for people to look at." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "For free software, look at the Free Software Foundation site, that is <a " "href=\"https://fsf.org\">http://fsf.org</a>, and you can join, if you wish. " "For my other political causes, look at <a href=\"https://stallman.org\"> " "http://stallman.org</a>. And if you want to join our fight against digital " "handcuffs (DRM), go to <a href=\"https://www.defectivebydesign.org\"> " "http://defectivebydesign.org</a>. And for the danger of eBooks and how they " "take away our freedom, look at <a " "href=\"https://stallman.org/articles/ebooks.pdf\"> " "http://stallman.org/articles/ebooks.pdf</a>." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Alright, doc, thanks for the time, but in the final statement, just " "reiterating you think it's really exciting that there's such an awakening to " "the power grabbing of the copyright industry and the fact that Hollywood and " "others just think they control the known Universe, and this has certainly " "gotten their attention, what do you expect them to do now? How will…" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "They'll find another way. You see, whether we defeat SOPA or not, even if " "we defeat it, it'll be clear that we defeated it because the measures they " "wanted to take were going to cause tremendous damage to everything around " "them. But if they propose something else that'll give them more power, but " "won't hurt other companies, they might still get away with it." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd><p> msgid "" "So what that means is we still have a long way to go in building up our " "opposition to the point where we can start to undo some of the injustices " "they have already put into copyright law." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "So it was just so ham-fisted and so brazen bull in a china cabinet, they " "were unable to get it, but they will come back. And it does show, I mean, " "remember five years ago, when McCain said “let's pass a bill where no " "judge, no jury, no proof we just kill your computer if we think you did " "something copyright,” I mean, this is overthrowing our entire Magna " "Charta, our entire constitution. I mean, it's tyrannical on it's face, Doc." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Absolutely. But that's what big business is like. Big business just wants " "power and has no respect for anything." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "" "Wow. Well, I look forward to speaking with you again, thank you so much, " "Doctor." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Happy hacking! Thanks for giving me the chance." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><dl><dd> msgid "Yeah, thanks for being with us." msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><h3> msgid "Footnote" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><ol><li> msgid "" "[2019] We call it <a href=\"/philosophy/why-call-it-the-swindle.html\">the " "Swindle</a> because it's designed to swindle readers out of the traditional " "freedoms of readers of books." msgstr "" #. TRANSLATORS: Use space (SPC) as msgstr if you don't have notes. #. type: Content of: <div> msgid "*GNUN-SLOT: TRANSLATOR'S NOTES*" msgstr "" #. type: Content of: <div><div><p> msgid "" "Please send general FSF & GNU inquiries to <a " "href=\"mailto:gnu@gnu.org\"><gnu@gnu.org></a>. 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